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		<title>By: Betty Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betty Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Len,

Thanks for the mention.  

About all that deflationary talk. I can&#039;t help but wonder if it&#039;s leading to the big amnesty discussion.  Just like Japan the US population is aging and declining. We need a younger and more prolific group to prop up the native population. Low and behold...well, you know where this is going.

Just to be clear, I have NO problem with legal immigration.  I don&#039;t even have a problem lifting the immigration limits if limited access to social services.  Everyone who wants to be productive and successful is welcome to come here.  But they should come with the knowledge that there is no free lunch.

Also, if you can afford it...have babies. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Len,</p>
<p>Thanks for the mention.  </p>
<p>About all that deflationary talk. I can&#8217;t help but wonder if it&#8217;s leading to the big amnesty discussion.  Just like Japan the US population is aging and declining. We need a younger and more prolific group to prop up the native population. Low and behold&#8230;well, you know where this is going.</p>
<p>Just to be clear, I have NO problem with legal immigration.  I don&#8217;t even have a problem lifting the immigration limits if limited access to social services.  Everyone who wants to be productive and successful is welcome to come here.  But they should come with the knowledge that there is no free lunch.</p>
<p>Also, if you can afford it&#8230;have babies. <img src='http://lenpenzo.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Len Penzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len Penzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My pleasure, Betty.  Interesting theory tying deflation talk to amnesty for illegals.   I think controlled, legal, immigration is essential to America&#039;s long-term well-being.  I&#039;m not so sure I am willing to blow off immigrant limits in lieu of them signing away their access to social services though.  I think too much too soon could wreak havoc by lowering our standard of living.  I think it would end up lowering wages across the board, even for even high-skilled occupations (including the higher paying ones like doctors and engineers).

Re: Japan... I saw a theory once that said instead of continuing to waste trillions and trillions of yen on failed gov&#039;t stimulus programs, Japan would be better served using the money to offer couples the equivalent of $100,000 for every new child they can produce.  It would not only be a cheaper way to jump start and turn around their sputtering economy, but it would also reverse their population decline, ensuring continued expansion over the long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My pleasure, Betty.  Interesting theory tying deflation talk to amnesty for illegals.   I think controlled, legal, immigration is essential to America&#8217;s long-term well-being.  I&#8217;m not so sure I am willing to blow off immigrant limits in lieu of them signing away their access to social services though.  I think too much too soon could wreak havoc by lowering our standard of living.  I think it would end up lowering wages across the board, even for even high-skilled occupations (including the higher paying ones like doctors and engineers).</p>
<p>Re: Japan&#8230; I saw a theory once that said instead of continuing to waste trillions and trillions of yen on failed gov&#8217;t stimulus programs, Japan would be better served using the money to offer couples the equivalent of $100,000 for every new child they can produce.  It would not only be a cheaper way to jump start and turn around their sputtering economy, but it would also reverse their population decline, ensuring continued expansion over the long term.</p>
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		<title>By: Balance Junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balance Junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m in the deflation camp too Len. It turns out the Fed hasn&#039;t actually been printing money as part of their QE (quantitative easing) program. (http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/2010/07/12/recession-deflation-and-deficits.aspx)

The money supply is actually contracting and banks aren&#039;t lending as much because a)they are actually doing more than checking for a pulse before they lend and b)loan demand is falling due to persistent deleveraging at all levels of the economy. This is deflationary and will be for some time to come. 

Thanks for mentioning my article and have a great weekend!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m in the deflation camp too Len. It turns out the Fed hasn&#8217;t actually been printing money as part of their QE (quantitative easing) program. (<a href="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/2010/07/12/recession-deflation-and-deficits.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/2010/07/12/recession-deflation-and-deficits.aspx</a>)</p>
<p>The money supply is actually contracting and banks aren&#8217;t lending as much because a)they are actually doing more than checking for a pulse before they lend and b)loan demand is falling due to persistent deleveraging at all levels of the economy. This is deflationary and will be for some time to come. </p>
<p>Thanks for mentioning my article and have a great weekend!</p>
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		<title>By: Len Penzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len Penzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  So are you using M2 to make the point that the Fed is not &quot;printing money&quot; &lt;em&gt;per se&lt;/em&gt; because purchasing power generated by asset backed securities is currently depressed?  I say that because as I understand it, M2 has been trending downward primarily because a big chunk of that number, the credit component, is currently locked up in the financial institutions.  If so, what happens when that credit comes off the sidelines and becomes money again as the economy eventually thaws?  All of that pent-up credit currently held by the banks and sitting on the sidelines can eventually be unleashed into the market.  Obviously, I&#039;m not an economist, but that&#039;s my story and I&#039;m sticking to it!  LOL  :-)

If my prediction is incorrect, then I&#039;m in the wrong camp and deflation is definite possibility.  And of course, all of this ignores the fact that, historically, no country has ever been able to rack up the amount of debt we have on the books (especially when one considers all of our unfunded liabilities) and not eventually encounter severe inflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  So are you using M2 to make the point that the Fed is not &#8220;printing money&#8221; <em>per se</em> because purchasing power generated by asset backed securities is currently depressed?  I say that because as I understand it, M2 has been trending downward primarily because a big chunk of that number, the credit component, is currently locked up in the financial institutions.  If so, what happens when that credit comes off the sidelines and becomes money again as the economy eventually thaws?  All of that pent-up credit currently held by the banks and sitting on the sidelines can eventually be unleashed into the market.  Obviously, I&#8217;m not an economist, but that&#8217;s my story and I&#8217;m sticking to it!  LOL  <img src='http://lenpenzo.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If my prediction is incorrect, then I&#8217;m in the wrong camp and deflation is definite possibility.  And of course, all of this ignores the fact that, historically, no country has ever been able to rack up the amount of debt we have on the books (especially when one considers all of our unfunded liabilities) and not eventually encounter severe inflation.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim @Money and Risk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim @Money and Risk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the mention Len.  

Did you check out @BPGlobalPR twitter stream? Anonymous guy who tweets as though he&#039;s the PR department.  Some pretty funny stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the mention Len.  </p>
<p>Did you check out @BPGlobalPR twitter stream? Anonymous guy who tweets as though he&#8217;s the PR department.  Some pretty funny stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Betty Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betty Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you may be riding the wrong horse Len.  

Take a look at the reasons for Japan&#039;s continuing deflation woes:
1) Fallen asset prices (primarily real estate)
2) Insolvent companies &amp; individuals (many of whom were heavily invested in real estate)
3) Insolvent banks (many of whom had lent to the real estate investors)
4) Fear of insolvent banks (flight to quality investments)
5) Cheap imports-especially raw materials from China
6) Low unemployment rates and low population growth

Except for the unemployment rates, we look a lot like Japan.  Bottom line is that we&#039;re over leveraged and are now facing debt deflation.  
How do we recover from debt deflation?  

Wait for it
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inflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you may be riding the wrong horse Len.  </p>
<p>Take a look at the reasons for Japan&#8217;s continuing deflation woes:<br />
1) Fallen asset prices (primarily real estate)<br />
2) Insolvent companies &amp; individuals (many of whom were heavily invested in real estate)<br />
3) Insolvent banks (many of whom had lent to the real estate investors)<br />
4) Fear of insolvent banks (flight to quality investments)<br />
5) Cheap imports-especially raw materials from China<br />
6) Low unemployment rates and low population growth</p>
<p>Except for the unemployment rates, we look a lot like Japan.  Bottom line is that we&#8217;re over leveraged and are now facing debt deflation.<br />
How do we recover from debt deflation?  </p>
<p>Wait for it<br />
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inflation.</p>
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		<title>By: Little House</title>
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		<dc:creator>Little House</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, thanks for mentioning my Bliss Box post. I know, it&#039;s a wacky idea. But I&#039;m really good at coming up with them!

Second, looking at your debits and credits, I can only presume things are going to get a bit shakier! What&#039;s crazy, is it feels like we&#039;re on a bit of a roller coaster. I&#039;m really hoping for a 2011-2012 boomerang - where the US goes platinum. Of course, this would coincide with me &lt;em&gt;needing&lt;/em&gt; to get hired as a teacher, as I would be right at the finishing point in my credential program, and my hope of moving to Ojai (only a wee bit more expensive than where I live now!) So, can we make that happen?! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, thanks for mentioning my Bliss Box post. I know, it&#8217;s a wacky idea. But I&#8217;m really good at coming up with them!</p>
<p>Second, looking at your debits and credits, I can only presume things are going to get a bit shakier! What&#8217;s crazy, is it feels like we&#8217;re on a bit of a roller coaster. I&#8217;m really hoping for a 2011-2012 boomerang &#8211; where the US goes platinum. Of course, this would coincide with me <em>needing</em> to get hired as a teacher, as I would be right at the finishing point in my credential program, and my hope of moving to Ojai (only a wee bit more expensive than where I live now!) So, can we make that happen?! <img src='http://lenpenzo.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Len Penzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len Penzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I did.  Hilarious!  Thanks for the tip, Kim.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I did.  Hilarious!  Thanks for the tip, Kim.  <img src='http://lenpenzo.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Len Penzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len Penzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Betty: Well, Betty, it looks like we all agree inflation is the final destination.  The question is, do we have to drive through Deflation City to get there or not.  :-)

Re: 2, 3 and 4... Government meddling in Japan is wholly responsible for keeping those insolvent institutions afloat too.  I think things would be a lot better - both in Japan and here in the US, for that matter - if capitalism&#039;s great equalizer, creative destruction, was allowed to take its course.

@Little House:  You&#039;re welcome!  But I don&#039;t think the US will be going platinum anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Betty: Well, Betty, it looks like we all agree inflation is the final destination.  The question is, do we have to drive through Deflation City to get there or not.  <img src='http://lenpenzo.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Re: 2, 3 and 4&#8230; Government meddling in Japan is wholly responsible for keeping those insolvent institutions afloat too.  I think things would be a lot better &#8211; both in Japan and here in the US, for that matter &#8211; if capitalism&#8217;s great equalizer, creative destruction, was allowed to take its course.</p>
<p>@Little House:  You&#8217;re welcome!  But I don&#8217;t think the US will be going platinum anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Credit Card</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Credit Card</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve lived in Japan before and I can say that when a Fuji Apple cost $2.00 to $3.00 - I actually welcome deflation!

But consider this - when our &quot;workers&quot; demand $75 an hour (whether it is a mechanic or plumber) and a &quot;factory worker&quot; in China is paid a small fraction of that, someone has got to face inflation and someone has got to face deflation. 

We have lived in a world where labor cost across countries are simply out of whack. Something has gotta give. There is also a huge supply increase in certain industries (think IT folks from Bangalore!)..So in a sense, perhaps deflation of wages here is inevitable because our labor cost is just too high relative to others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve lived in Japan before and I can say that when a Fuji Apple cost $2.00 to $3.00 &#8211; I actually welcome deflation!</p>
<p>But consider this &#8211; when our &#8220;workers&#8221; demand $75 an hour (whether it is a mechanic or plumber) and a &#8220;factory worker&#8221; in China is paid a small fraction of that, someone has got to face inflation and someone has got to face deflation. </p>
<p>We have lived in a world where labor cost across countries are simply out of whack. Something has gotta give. There is also a huge supply increase in certain industries (think IT folks from Bangalore!)..So in a sense, perhaps deflation of wages here is inevitable because our labor cost is just too high relative to others?</p>
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