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		<title>By: Len Penzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len Penzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Mike. If we&#039;re interested in speaking in relative terms, that is a much better question.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Mike. If we&#8217;re interested in speaking in relative terms, that is a much better question.  <img src='http://lenpenzo.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mike92620</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike92620</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I&#039;m late to the party.

$10,000 is an absolute amount, and not a relative amount.  I don&#039;t know how much Len makes every year, and what expenses he has.

If he only makes $20,000 a year, and he has a mortgage, car loans, wife, kids (some who may be in college), then $10,000 is a lot of money.

If he makes $200,000 a year, and he has limited expenses, then $10,000 isn&#039;t that much.

A better question I believe would be ask to see whether one would take a &quot;10% pay cut&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I&#8217;m late to the party.</p>
<p>$10,000 is an absolute amount, and not a relative amount.  I don&#8217;t know how much Len makes every year, and what expenses he has.</p>
<p>If he only makes $20,000 a year, and he has a mortgage, car loans, wife, kids (some who may be in college), then $10,000 is a lot of money.</p>
<p>If he makes $200,000 a year, and he has limited expenses, then $10,000 isn&#8217;t that much.</p>
<p>A better question I believe would be ask to see whether one would take a &#8220;10% pay cut&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: 20smoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>20smoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh, sorry to hear that.  My commute is about 12 miles so I&#039;m pretty lucky I guess compared to many people.

Understanding the &quot;costs&quot; of working is important because it shows you the true income replacement number if you were to work from home or do something else to attempt to replace your main income.
.-= 20smoney´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://20smoney.com/2010/02/10/a-beginners-guide-to-buying-gold-coins-as-an-investment/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Beginner’s Guide to Buying Gold Coins As An Investment&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, sorry to hear that.  My commute is about 12 miles so I&#8217;m pretty lucky I guess compared to many people.</p>
<p>Understanding the &#8220;costs&#8221; of working is important because it shows you the true income replacement number if you were to work from home or do something else to attempt to replace your main income.<br />
.-= 20smoney´s last blog ..<a href="http://20smoney.com/2010/02/10/a-beginners-guide-to-buying-gold-coins-as-an-investment/" rel="nofollow">A Beginner’s Guide to Buying Gold Coins As An Investment</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret @ Hope to Prosper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret @ Hope to Prosper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Len,

I&#039;m glad to hear your new commute is working out.

I spent the last 25 years commuting from 20-30 miles each way.  Most of these commutes weren&#039;t so bad at around 30 minutes each way.  But, during the 90s I worked at a job with a 30 mile commute that took almost an hour and a half each morning.  (Average 20 MPH)  I would just wait until 7:00 PM to come home and it would only take 30 minutes.  I quit that job after 20 months because it wasn&#039;t worth the hassle.

Now, I am really fortunate to have found a job in my home town and I have a 3.1 mile commute.  I would have definitely taken a $10K pay cut to get rid of the commute.  It&#039;s not only the time, stress and money, it&#039;s the feeling of being near home all day.  I can pick up my daughter from school or have lunch with my wife or my brothers.  It&#039;s really nice.
.-= Bret @ Hope to Prosper´s last blog ..Secrets to Becoming Successful =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Len,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to hear your new commute is working out.</p>
<p>I spent the last 25 years commuting from 20-30 miles each way.  Most of these commutes weren&#8217;t so bad at around 30 minutes each way.  But, during the 90s I worked at a job with a 30 mile commute that took almost an hour and a half each morning.  (Average 20 MPH)  I would just wait until 7:00 PM to come home and it would only take 30 minutes.  I quit that job after 20 months because it wasn&#8217;t worth the hassle.</p>
<p>Now, I am really fortunate to have found a job in my home town and I have a 3.1 mile commute.  I would have definitely taken a $10K pay cut to get rid of the commute.  It&#8217;s not only the time, stress and money, it&#8217;s the feeling of being near home all day.  I can pick up my daughter from school or have lunch with my wife or my brothers.  It&#8217;s really nice.<br />
.-= Bret @ Hope to Prosper´s last blog ..Secrets to Becoming Successful =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin@OutOfYourRut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin@OutOfYourRut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a guess, but it&#039;s doubtful most people actually put pen to paper and breakdown hard costs the way you did.  That&#039;s certainly worth the effort, because I think most people assume the cost of a longer commute is much greater than what you&#039;ve come up with.  That could be a case of assuming high numbers in support of an emotional feeling that we really don&#039;t want to make the longer commute.

As you point out, the real issue is measuring the cost against the alternatives.  In your case, the cost of moving closer to work is huge.  For others it could be a question of finding a replacement job that would justify quiting to work closer to home. 

Of course, you&#039;re also living in a area that doesn&#039;t get regular traffic snarling snowstorms, so the decision is a bit easier.  Still, I love the analysis.  When you crunch the numbers, it isn&#039;t the three headed monster it often appears to be at first glance.
.-= Kevin@OutOfYourRut´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://outofyourrut.com/blog/2010/02/09/blue-collar-jobs-cant-be-moved-offshore/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Blue Collar Jobs Can’t be Moved Offshore&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a guess, but it&#8217;s doubtful most people actually put pen to paper and breakdown hard costs the way you did.  That&#8217;s certainly worth the effort, because I think most people assume the cost of a longer commute is much greater than what you&#8217;ve come up with.  That could be a case of assuming high numbers in support of an emotional feeling that we really don&#8217;t want to make the longer commute.</p>
<p>As you point out, the real issue is measuring the cost against the alternatives.  In your case, the cost of moving closer to work is huge.  For others it could be a question of finding a replacement job that would justify quiting to work closer to home. </p>
<p>Of course, you&#8217;re also living in a area that doesn&#8217;t get regular traffic snarling snowstorms, so the decision is a bit easier.  Still, I love the analysis.  When you crunch the numbers, it isn&#8217;t the three headed monster it often appears to be at first glance.<br />
.-= Kevin@OutOfYourRut´s last blog ..<a href="http://outofyourrut.com/blog/2010/02/09/blue-collar-jobs-cant-be-moved-offshore/" rel="nofollow">Blue Collar Jobs Can’t be Moved Offshore</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: ParisGirl111</title>
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		<dc:creator>ParisGirl111</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to drive 1 hour to and from work every day on a major highway.  I did not like it.  I am a country girl and love driving, but not on busy highways.  I now work at home for my company and absolutely love it.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to drive 1 hour to and from work every day on a major highway.  I did not like it.  I am a country girl and love driving, but not on busy highways.  I now work at home for my company and absolutely love it.  <img src='http://lenpenzo.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Steven and Debra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven and Debra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comparison.  Now, with a smoother commute (less stop &amp; go), you have the time and opportunity to let your mind explore new financial opportunities, books on CD, or to de-stress from workplace activities by listening to your favorite tunes.
.-= Steven and Debra´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheEndTimesHoax/~3/Knw-NObLbmI/are-you-hoarder-are-you-sure-part-iv-of_09.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Are YOU a Hoarder? Are You Sure? (Part IV of a Four Part Series)&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comparison.  Now, with a smoother commute (less stop &amp; go), you have the time and opportunity to let your mind explore new financial opportunities, books on CD, or to de-stress from workplace activities by listening to your favorite tunes.<br />
.-= Steven and Debra´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheEndTimesHoax/~3/Knw-NObLbmI/are-you-hoarder-are-you-sure-part-iv-of_09.html" rel="nofollow">Are YOU a Hoarder? Are You Sure? (Part IV of a Four Part Series)</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Len Penzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len Penzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@20s:  Hopefully it is 12 &quot;easy&quot; miles.  There have been times I have been in traffic so bad that it has taken me to an hour and a half to go 12 miles.  

@Bret:  I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve got a short, pleasant commute.  There is a lot to be said for the freedoms of a short commute; like you mentioned, coming home for lunch or taking the kids to school sounds really appealing.  Heck, if I were that close I would probably ride my bike in to work most days! 

@Kevin: I truly thought the financial costs would be greater.  I was pleasantly surprised.  Like I said though, the best part of all is that the minimal impact to the time component.

@Paris:  I agree.  I love driving, but not on busy roads.  Ever drive a stick shift in bumper-to-bumper traffic?  Not good times!

@Steven and Debra:  Let me first say, I have been enjoying your hoarder series!  I&#039;ve read the first three parts - I need to check out Part IV.  As for what I do to occupy myself for about 40 minutes each way every day, I bounce all around the radio dial - although I have been considering books &quot;on tape&quot; for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@20s:  Hopefully it is 12 &#8220;easy&#8221; miles.  There have been times I have been in traffic so bad that it has taken me to an hour and a half to go 12 miles.  </p>
<p>@Bret:  I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve got a short, pleasant commute.  There is a lot to be said for the freedoms of a short commute; like you mentioned, coming home for lunch or taking the kids to school sounds really appealing.  Heck, if I were that close I would probably ride my bike in to work most days! </p>
<p>@Kevin: I truly thought the financial costs would be greater.  I was pleasantly surprised.  Like I said though, the best part of all is that the minimal impact to the time component.</p>
<p>@Paris:  I agree.  I love driving, but not on busy roads.  Ever drive a stick shift in bumper-to-bumper traffic?  Not good times!</p>
<p>@Steven and Debra:  Let me first say, I have been enjoying your hoarder series!  I&#8217;ve read the first three parts &#8211; I need to check out Part IV.  As for what I do to occupy myself for about 40 minutes each way every day, I bounce all around the radio dial &#8211; although I have been considering books &#8220;on tape&#8221; for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Ironman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ironman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an &lt;a href=&quot;http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2008/07/should-you-move-closer-to-work-to-save.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;online tool&lt;/a&gt; for running a more simplified version of the commuting vs moving math.  

Shortened URL: http://tinyurl.com/move-or-commute
.-= Ironman´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2010/02/215-million-federal-employees.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2.15 Million Federal Employees&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an <a href="http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2008/07/should-you-move-closer-to-work-to-save.html" rel="nofollow">online tool</a> for running a more simplified version of the commuting vs moving math.  </p>
<p>Shortened URL: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/move-or-commute" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/move-or-commute</a><br />
.-= Ironman´s last blog ..<a href="http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2010/02/215-million-federal-employees.html" rel="nofollow">2.15 Million Federal Employees</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Kamp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Kamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My commute isn&#039;t horrible distance-wise, but I get annoyed at the traffic some times of day (101 North in the Bay Area!).

Len, I see you mentioned wear-and-tear in one of your bullets.  Did you factor this into your calculations, or did you find it to be negligible?  (A 1997 Civic with a 5-speed is probably reasonably cheap... I assume... to maintain)  Also, what about parking?  Did it go from free to free or is parking harder now as well?
.-= Paul Kamp´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DQYDJ/~3/5tP4ydO_nTA/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cutting Up the Card&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My commute isn&#8217;t horrible distance-wise, but I get annoyed at the traffic some times of day (101 North in the Bay Area!).</p>
<p>Len, I see you mentioned wear-and-tear in one of your bullets.  Did you factor this into your calculations, or did you find it to be negligible?  (A 1997 Civic with a 5-speed is probably reasonably cheap&#8230; I assume&#8230; to maintain)  Also, what about parking?  Did it go from free to free or is parking harder now as well?<br />
.-= Paul Kamp´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DQYDJ/~3/5tP4ydO_nTA/" rel="nofollow">Cutting Up the Card</a> =-.</p>
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